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good evening this is John we're yeah

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today is March 22nd hey guys Ryan sprek

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this is somewhere in the skies

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good evening this is John Lear and today

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is March 22nd 1989 we're standing just

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about eight miles due east of Groom Lake

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Nevada the super government secret test

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site and just a few minutes ago we saw

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one of the government extraterrestrial

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UFOs fly over there we've all watched it

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for about seven or eight minutes right

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here I have my celestron scope it's

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eight inches and I had had it focused in

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for about 15 seconds and saw myself that

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in fact it was a disc and we're going to

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stay here for another couple hours here

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to see if we can show you folks an

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actual extraterrestrial flying saucer

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being flown by the government so if you

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just can buy and we'll be looking over

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that mountain which is where they are

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they also come over here which is over

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in Bald Mountain there's some rights

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over there which you can't see but there

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are a number of trucks we don't know

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whether they're looking down here and

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what they're doing up there but we

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managed get in here we're standing on

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public land it's completely legal where

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we are and if you'd like to come here

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later in the show we'll tell you exactly

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how to get here we have Bob Lazar and we

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have Jackie

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Lazar Bob's life and we have Jean hub

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and this mission was organized tonight

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by Bob Lazar who is a

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theoretical physicist who works at

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gruelling welcome to summer in the skies

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I'm your host Ryan Sprague in 1989 a man

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named Robert Scott Lazar contacted the

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Las Vegas television station

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klas and claimed that he had been

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working as a physicist on the

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government's most highly classified

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project code named Galileo which

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involved back-engineering alien

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technology the research took place at a

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hidden base referred to only as s4 s4

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broadcast on klas with investigative

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when the Air Force sought to renew its

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stranglehold on the groom range news

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articles once again mentioned that talk

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about alien spacecraft and subsequent

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unnamed sources about things of alien

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origin flying in Nevada things that

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area 51 from the inside ever talked

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saucers flying discs that are out there

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broadcast by radio and six European

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countries and an a nationally televised

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flying saucers flying test despite

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numerous inquiries and feelers dennis

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has remained anonymous until now his

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real name is Robert Lazar a young

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scientist with eclectic interests the

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choice of Dennis was an inside joke he

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called right after he said you have any

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idea what we're gonna do to you now and

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I said well no she hung up the phone

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Lazare story is by any standards

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order to protect himself he says he was

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of people from all over the world wanted

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to hear more about what Bob Lazar had

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worked on and what was going on at s4

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conducted with Lazar throughout the

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years one thing remained constant his

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story so right now let's take a listen

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to a healthy sized audio account by

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Lazar himself on just exactly what he

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worked on at s4 no absolutely no et

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crafty T technology anything like that

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specifically to separate it their people

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beyond me but that's that's where my

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checks came from so I can only assume

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that they were in charge of that at one

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time the Russians were involved and

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made by our team however that was

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related to me and allegedly what

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information exchange going on where

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there were actual live aliens at the

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facility and at one particular point

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personnel went to enter and apparently

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because not the sidearms with the

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bullets and the sidearms from what I

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understand if they would have entered

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the area the bullets would have

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tried to stop the security personnel

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from entering the area and a fight

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ensued and the bottom line from the

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altercation was that the security

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personnel I don't remember how many were

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involved but we're all killed and they

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died of head wounds and that's all that

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all that I heard of that story there

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were 22 people with majestic clearance

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I had majestic clearance majestic

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clearance was designated as clearance 38

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levels above Q clearance and Q clearance

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is the civilian top secret clearance it

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probably really hit me when I got inside

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the craft and looked around and began to

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understand how the craft was operated

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and finally grasped the whole project as

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a whole as what we were doing the fact

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that we weren't building this thing we

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were trying to find out how it was made

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we were back engineering it normally the

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bus pulled around to the opposite end of

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the facility which was the main entrance

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and that's where we went in on this

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particular occasion had pulled up to one

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of the hangar doors which were normally

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closed and the last one was open we came

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out and I saw the disc in the hangar

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upon seeing it it struck me that well

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this explains all the UFO sightings not

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thinking that it was an extraterrestrial

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craft that this must have been some

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advanced form of Fighter that we've been

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working on for years and you know people

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have just caught it being tested so on

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and so forth it never even occurred to

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me even though I was looking at an

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extraterrestrial vehicle that you know

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this wasn't man-made people have

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asserted that boy that must have been

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the most exciting time in your life and

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that's not the way it was when I first

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got to look inside the craft all I can

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say it's an ominous feeling you walk in

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there and it's it feels as if you

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shouldn't be there I know that sounds

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kind of corny but it's real ominous

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feeling it's not an exciting feeling it

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brings up a whole lot of questions in

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your mind well where did this come from

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and you know that they won't give you

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the answers to the whole story but it's

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a that's the only way I can describe it

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there are nine and their shapes vary I

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only got to do a close inspection on

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the others I just briefly saw and they

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they pretty much buried I give

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everything nicknames they're the one I

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worked on was kind of sleek looking and

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I gave it the name of the sport model

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there was one that looked like a jello

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mold

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there was one that looked like a top hat

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there was a disc that was turned up on

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its side and it had a large projectile

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hole with the metal bent outwards on it

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I can only surmise they were testing it

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to see if a projectile could penetrate

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it of course it's just a guess on my

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part but for the most part they were

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pretty pretty varied I only entered the

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sport model the other ones I wasn't

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allowed to loiter around to go near they

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really even to look at I just at one

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point

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walking through the hangar doors all the

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bay doors between all the hangars were

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open and I got a glimpse all the way

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down the whole corridor but that was the

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only time it was ever open the lower

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level the craft the floor itself is

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hexagonal little hexagonal squares and

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the hatch or if you want to call it

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ahead to the access way to get in there

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is an ingenious little assembly it's a

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honeycomb structure and if you put your

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fingers and went into the honeycomb and

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push all the honeycombs will collapse in

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on each other making a hole it's kind of

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a neat a neat doorway something that we

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could you know use I don't know what for

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but I mean it's a it's something that I

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haven't seen before and it's kind of a

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novel idea but a very efficient

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lightweight very strong access way I had

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to hang upside down in there to see the

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lower the lower level essentially and

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there were three large gravity

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amplifiers these devices looked like

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about a 2 foot diameter four foot long

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piece of pipe hanging by a smaller piece

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of pipe from the level above and they

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can be independently positioned and

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that's what what emits the gravitational

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waves that propel the craft the second

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level was the only other level that I

285
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was on it was the main level that

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contained the reactor where the seating

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was the gravity amplifiers themselves

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though we also called the devices that

289
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hung down on the lower level the gravity

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amplifiers because they're really one in

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the same they were probably the

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waveguides or horns if you want to

293
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relate that to microwaves it would be

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extremely inconvenient for a human pilot

295
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humans really can't even function in

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there though because of the ceiling

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clearance the seats were so tiny it was

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obviously made for a creature much

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smaller than a human it produces a

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gravity wave which is similar to the

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gravity wave that the earth produces

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however the craft phase shifts the wave

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in other words it it turns the wave not

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really in an opposite polarity but

305
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something to that effect where it will

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work against the natural gravity wave of

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the earth and it produces a lift and in

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that effect

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well the craft generates its own

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gravitational field being inside that

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field essentially doesn't shield you but

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essentially you're in and this is a

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terrible way to say it almost in a

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different realm because you're you're

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now influenced only that by that

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gravitational field for instance people

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wonder at how a craft like this can make

318
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a turn at such high speed a 90 degree

319
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turn when they would imagine people

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slamming up against the wall or

321
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something to that effect well that

322
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really wouldn't have an inertia would

323
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have no effect you're you're in a

324
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distortion and don't forget that gravity

325
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distorts time and space so really

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nothing is going to influence you while

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you're in there there are three

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amplifiers the craft can operate on a

329
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single one can lift off the ground the

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way in which gets propelled are two

331
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different ways there's what they call

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Omicron configuration where the craft is

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using one generator or a Delta

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configuration where it's used utilizing

335
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all three Delta configuration would be

336
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for space travel essentially the craft

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will tilt up on its side as opposed to a

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science fiction movie where you see a

339
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flying saucer moving around the craft

340
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will tilt up on its side focus the three

341
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gravity generators to a single point and

342
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move through space that way moving

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around the source of gravity as a

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problem to a disc because it's

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interference essentially so what they do

346
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is they work with that interference to

347
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their benefit they'll use one gravity

348
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generator to lift the craft off the

349
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ground and as opposed to what we're used

350
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to for instance a plane once it's in the

351
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air we envision thrust or some force

352
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coming out the back of it to push it

353
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forward the crafts work completely

354
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opposite of that what they do is once

355
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they're hovering in the air they'll

356
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swing the gravity or two remaining

357
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gravity generators up in front of them

358
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and create a distortion essentially a

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downhill and the craft rolls downhill

360
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for infinity it's always chasing a

361
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little Distortion that's why they look

362
00:16:38,380 --> 00:16:36,560
goofy when they fly around at low speed

363
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because they're essentially and anytime

364
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you run over you know the gravity field

365
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around the Earth is not completely

366
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constant and stable depending on the

367
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minerals and density the earth

368
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underneath it the gravity will vary

369
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somewhat and you will get on movements

370
00:16:57,220 --> 00:16:54,250
of the craft so it's low speed mode is

371
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is kind of unstable for the most part I

372
00:17:04,419 --> 00:16:59,560
only witness one test flight up close

373
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officially that I was in just inside the

374
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hangar the test was going up probably

375
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just as the Sun was going down and it

376
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was a low performance test I believe

377
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there were some pilots or test pilots in

378
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the craft the craft must have been

379
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retrofitted to fit them because the

380
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seating arrangements were really not

381
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accommodating they were in radio

382
00:17:29,100 --> 00:17:27,530
communication with the craft the craft

383
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lifted off the ground

384
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virtually noiseless other than a small

385
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Corona discharge in the bottom of the

386
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craft indicating the presence of

387
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high-voltage

388
00:17:41,279 --> 00:17:38,720
that dissipated at about 30 feet and it

389
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stood there completely silently and

390
00:17:47,519 --> 00:17:43,970
moved over to the left to the right and

391
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sat back down that was the entire test

392
00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:50,059
however that was an extremely impressive

393
00:17:53,830 --> 00:17:52,370
test maybe to someone that really knows

394
00:17:56,139 --> 00:17:53,840
little about science or anything that

395
00:17:58,090 --> 00:17:56,149
that wouldn't be a whole lot but you

396
00:17:59,980 --> 00:17:58,100
have to realize this craft was about 52

397
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feet in diameter I don't know exactly

398
00:18:05,649 --> 00:18:01,580
how much it weighed but it weighed a lot

399
00:18:07,570 --> 00:18:05,659
and this was quite quite a scientific

400
00:18:10,330 --> 00:18:07,580
feat to lift something completely

401
00:18:13,090 --> 00:18:10,340
silently under control the craft itself

402
00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:13,100
was I assume it was metal and it was

403
00:18:16,989 --> 00:18:14,690
cold to the touch that's why I say it

404
00:18:19,269 --> 00:18:16,999
was metal and it was a brushed aluminum

405
00:18:23,470 --> 00:18:19,279
actually just an unfinished stainless

406
00:18:25,629 --> 00:18:23,480
steel not shiny finished - it had no

407
00:18:28,810 --> 00:18:25,639
seams It was as if it was injection

408
00:18:30,999 --> 00:18:28,820
molded from one giant die I was

409
00:18:32,710 --> 00:18:31,009
completely amazed by gravity is

410
00:18:34,869 --> 00:18:32,720
something difficult to explain because

411
00:18:36,279 --> 00:18:34,879
it's something that we essentially don't

412
00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:36,289
understand this is something that we can

413
00:18:40,570 --> 00:18:37,970
observe not much is really known about

414
00:18:42,580 --> 00:18:40,580
gravity there are many theories about it

415
00:18:45,159 --> 00:18:42,590
but they are just mainly theories of

416
00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:45,169
theories of gravitons which allege that

417
00:18:50,109 --> 00:18:47,840
their use of these subatomic particles

418
00:18:52,419 --> 00:18:50,119
that act like an attractive force like

419
00:18:54,700 --> 00:18:52,429
gravity that exchange between two pieces

420
00:18:57,070 --> 00:18:54,710
of matter there's also a theory that

421
00:18:58,269 --> 00:18:57,080
gravity is a form of wave and

422
00:19:01,899 --> 00:18:58,279
electromagnetic wave

423
00:19:04,930 --> 00:19:01,909
but basically gravity is a force it's

424
00:19:06,789 --> 00:19:04,940
it's it's the attraction it was the

425
00:19:08,529 --> 00:19:06,799
inherent property of matter to have

426
00:19:11,230 --> 00:19:08,539
gravity a mutual attraction for each

427
00:19:13,869 --> 00:19:11,240
other and that's it's basically all that

428
00:19:16,539 --> 00:19:13,879
we really know modern science current

429
00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:16,549
science right now identifies one gravity

430
00:19:22,269 --> 00:19:19,610
it's one force in nature apparently

431
00:19:24,489 --> 00:19:22,279
through research at s4 or information

432
00:19:26,529 --> 00:19:24,499
gained from one of the crafts they were

433
00:19:28,779 --> 00:19:26,539
researching there it appears that there

434
00:19:32,289 --> 00:19:28,789
are two different forms of gravity one

435
00:19:35,230 --> 00:19:32,299
form works on an atomic scale on

436
00:19:37,239 --> 00:19:35,240
subatomic particles holding pieces of

437
00:19:40,509 --> 00:19:37,249
matter holding atoms themselves together

438
00:19:43,170 --> 00:19:40,519
and other works on a larger scale the

439
00:19:45,420 --> 00:19:43,180
scale we're most familiar with

440
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:45,430
holding planets in orbit holding

441
00:19:49,650 --> 00:19:47,200
ourselves to the ground things of that

442
00:19:51,570 --> 00:19:49,660
sort because it produces a gravitational

443
00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:51,580
field it I wouldn't say the craft is

444
00:19:55,410 --> 00:19:53,410
invisible during the day however if

445
00:19:58,500 --> 00:19:55,420
you're under the craft because of the

446
00:20:01,230 --> 00:19:58,510
way the gravity is being used gravity

447
00:20:03,660 --> 00:20:01,240
bends time and space and it bends life

448
00:20:06,540 --> 00:20:03,670
if you are looking underneath the craft

449
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:06,550
or from certain vantage points you will

450
00:20:12,450 --> 00:20:08,530
actually see what's above the craft it's

451
00:20:15,060 --> 00:20:12,460
a it's really a trick of the way light

452
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:15,070
bends under the influence of gravity for

453
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:16,930
instance we can see stars that are

454
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:19,330
behind the Sun that are blocked from our

455
00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:21,010
view by the Sun the reason we can see

456
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:23,110
them is because the Sun is a tremendous

457
00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:24,970
gravitational field and it's bending the

458
00:20:30,090 --> 00:20:27,370
light around it where we can see the

459
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:30,100
star space time and gravity are all

460
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:32,650
essentially interrelated they all act on

461
00:20:40,590 --> 00:20:37,570
one another gravity bends space gravity

462
00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:40,600
also distorts time when you vary one you

463
00:20:45,060 --> 00:20:42,880
essentially vary the other two as an

464
00:20:47,460 --> 00:20:45,070
example if you have a massive body say a

465
00:20:49,230 --> 00:20:47,470
planet or something it's making a lot of

466
00:20:52,890 --> 00:20:49,240
gravity producing a lot of gravitational

467
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:52,900
waves if you will it distorts space it

468
00:20:58,770 --> 00:20:56,320
bends space to it it also slows down

469
00:21:01,260 --> 00:20:58,780
time these things aren't theories we

470
00:21:03,450 --> 00:21:01,270
know them to be true we cannot

471
00:21:06,450 --> 00:21:03,460
artificially create this because we

472
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:06,460
can't create gravity but this is how

473
00:21:11,130 --> 00:21:08,290
they're all interrelated because space

474
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:11,140
time and gravity are all interrelated if

475
00:21:16,110 --> 00:21:13,840
you could produce gravity artificially

476
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:16,120
an extremely intense field of gravity

477
00:21:21,770 --> 00:21:18,970
what you could do is actually distort

478
00:21:24,810 --> 00:21:21,780
the distance between two objects and

479
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:24,820
make it shorter not just distorting the

480
00:21:29,730 --> 00:21:27,010
distance but now you're also decreasing

481
00:21:33,570 --> 00:21:29,740
the time the actual time between the two

482
00:21:35,130 --> 00:21:33,580
places so you're not traveling in a

483
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:35,140
linear mode like flying a spacecraft

484
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:38,290
from point A to point B you've actually

485
00:21:44,340 --> 00:21:40,930
modified the time and the space that you

486
00:21:46,620 --> 00:21:44,350
travel in so you're now traversing a

487
00:21:49,290 --> 00:21:46,630
huge amount of distance with little time

488
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:49,300
and actually with traveling little

489
00:21:52,740 --> 00:21:51,250
distance as crazy as it seems that

490
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:52,750
that's what's going on

491
00:21:57,030 --> 00:21:54,880
there are several problems traveling at

492
00:21:59,310 --> 00:21:57,040
the speed of light just a couple of them

493
00:22:00,750 --> 00:21:59,320
are the fact that as your speed

494
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:00,760
increases so does your mass

495
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:04,450
proportionally in other words the more

496
00:22:09,180 --> 00:22:07,090
energy you put in to go faster begins to

497
00:22:11,790 --> 00:22:09,190
slow you down by the fact that it's

498
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:11,800
converted into mass do you have other

499
00:22:16,110 --> 00:22:13,450
problems like just traveling at such an

500
00:22:18,900 --> 00:22:16,120
extreme velocity navigational problems

501
00:22:22,020 --> 00:22:18,910
the fact that you might run into little

502
00:22:24,090 --> 00:22:22,030
tiny micro meteorites at speeds like

503
00:22:26,250 --> 00:22:24,100
this they would undoubtedly destroy your

504
00:22:29,310 --> 00:22:26,260
craft there's just a whole host of

505
00:22:30,810 --> 00:22:29,320
problems that you're gonna run into just

506
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:30,820
attempting to do something like that

507
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:33,010
aside from the fact the amount of energy

508
00:22:37,710 --> 00:22:34,720
required to accelerate to the speed of

509
00:22:39,690 --> 00:22:37,720
light is horrendous project sidekick was

510
00:22:41,370 --> 00:22:39,700
another project going on with Galileo

511
00:22:44,250 --> 00:22:41,380
Galileo was the project that I was

512
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:44,260
involved in psychic dealt with any of

513
00:22:48,660 --> 00:22:45,970
the weapon potential the craft whether

514
00:22:51,540 --> 00:22:48,670
or not the craft had a weapon in it or

515
00:22:52,650 --> 00:22:51,550
could it be used as a weapon but it had

516
00:22:54,900 --> 00:22:52,660
something as it was some sort of

517
00:22:57,210 --> 00:22:54,910
particle beam configuration where the

518
00:22:59,880 --> 00:22:57,220
gravity generator can be used as a lens

519
00:23:02,880 --> 00:22:59,890
to focus and focus a weapon of some sort

520
00:23:06,210 --> 00:23:02,890
similar to the SDI device we were

521
00:23:08,750 --> 00:23:06,220
working on in the the 80s but with the

522
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:08,760
potential of a focusing device using the

523
00:23:14,250 --> 00:23:11,890
gravity generator project Looking Glass

524
00:23:16,290 --> 00:23:14,260
dealt with the distortion the fact that

525
00:23:18,570 --> 00:23:16,300
there's a time distortion essentially

526
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:18,580
looking back in time and by that I do

527
00:23:23,460 --> 00:23:21,760
not mean looking back years ago to see

528
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:23,470
the wagon train days they're looking for

529
00:23:27,210 --> 00:23:25,090
distortions that are milliseconds in

530
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:27,220
time and what what that was used for I

531
00:23:31,890 --> 00:23:29,650
don't know but that was just observing

532
00:23:33,660 --> 00:23:31,900
the time the time distortion time

533
00:23:36,270 --> 00:23:33,670
dilation phenomenon the craft and

534
00:23:39,210 --> 00:23:36,280
operation 115 is strictly an

535
00:23:42,140 --> 00:23:39,220
extraterrestrial material it probably

536
00:23:45,300 --> 00:23:42,150
occurs naturally and some other places

537
00:23:46,770 --> 00:23:45,310
maybe other star systems some people not

538
00:23:48,270 --> 00:23:46,780
familiar with science or chemistry say

539
00:23:50,580 --> 00:23:48,280
well that's ridiculous all the elements

540
00:23:51,630 --> 00:23:50,590
occur on earth you know but that's not

541
00:23:53,340 --> 00:23:51,640
true and there are elements on the

542
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:53,350
periodic chart that aren't found on

543
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:53,730
earth

544
00:23:59,060 --> 00:23:56,400
I believe the heavy ion research lab in

545
00:24:03,350 --> 00:23:59,070
Darmstadt Germany has reached element

546
00:24:05,570 --> 00:24:03,360
112 recently so 115 isn't isn't that far

547
00:24:07,220 --> 00:24:05,580
away and when they synthesized it it's

548
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:07,230
not like they're making a couple ounces

549
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:09,120
of it they're talking about one or two

550
00:24:13,220 --> 00:24:11,520
atoms of it to make any usable quantity

551
00:24:16,820 --> 00:24:13,230
of a heavy element like that is

552
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:16,830
virtually impossible element 115 is in

553
00:24:23,170 --> 00:24:19,770
the top of the reactor and the base of

554
00:24:26,180 --> 00:24:23,180
the reactor apparently is a small

555
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:26,190
something similar to a cyclotron it's a

556
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:30,170
particle accelerator a particle is

557
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:32,970
accelerated to high speed and then

558
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:36,930
deflected up a small tube and it's aimed

559
00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:40,410
at the 115 this transmutes the 115

560
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:43,110
similar to the way we do that in a

561
00:24:49,130 --> 00:24:45,690
normal particle accelerator this causes

562
00:24:51,380 --> 00:24:49,140
a reaction a radiation emission that we

563
00:24:55,130 --> 00:24:51,390
really haven't seen before it produces

564
00:24:58,430 --> 00:24:55,140
antimatter this antimatter is guided

565
00:25:00,680 --> 00:24:58,440
down a tuned tube and reacts with a gas

566
00:25:03,730 --> 00:25:00,690
when matter and antimatter react they

567
00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:03,740
convert to a hundred percent energy this

568
00:25:09,650 --> 00:25:07,380
energy is converted heat energy is

569
00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:09,660
converted to electrical power in the

570
00:25:14,090 --> 00:25:11,510
reactor itself this is done through a

571
00:25:16,220 --> 00:25:14,100
thermoelectric converter and this

572
00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:16,230
electrical power is used to power other

573
00:25:20,570 --> 00:25:17,940
subsystems on the craft though there is

574
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:20,580
no wiring also that's almost a byproduct

575
00:25:26,540 --> 00:25:22,890
of the reactor the reactor also sets up

576
00:25:28,910 --> 00:25:26,550
a gravitational wave from 115 being

577
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,920
bombarded this gravitational wave was

578
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:31,200
present at the top of the reactor and it

579
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:32,850
is essentially guided in the same way

580
00:25:38,540 --> 00:25:34,890
microwaves are guided through tuned

581
00:25:40,430 --> 00:25:38,550
tubes and this goes to their amplifying

582
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:40,440
cavities and through the projectors that

583
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:42,000
are in the bottom of the craft there is

584
00:25:45,950 --> 00:25:43,770
no thermal radiation while the reactors

585
00:25:48,050 --> 00:25:45,960
running the thermionic generator is a

586
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:48,060
hundred percent efficient which is in

587
00:25:52,940 --> 00:25:49,290
violation of the first law of

588
00:25:55,730 --> 00:25:52,950
thermodynamics but in fact it works

589
00:25:58,190 --> 00:25:55,740
element 115 is stable and for those

590
00:26:00,170 --> 00:25:58,200
familiar with chemistry we know that

591
00:26:02,690 --> 00:26:00,180
elements with higher atomic numbers have

592
00:26:05,180 --> 00:26:02,700
shorter and shorter half-lives however

593
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:05,190
when you reach a certain point they call

594
00:26:10,220 --> 00:26:07,170
it the island of stability there

595
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:10,230
is a place we've theorized this for a

596
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:11,010
long time

597
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:14,400
somewhere around 114 to 116 there should

598
00:26:18,290 --> 00:26:15,810
be an area in there

599
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:18,300
where the nucleus of the atom is

600
00:26:23,570 --> 00:26:20,730
geometrically stable with protons and

601
00:26:26,150 --> 00:26:23,580
neutrons where it no longer decays it's

602
00:26:28,790 --> 00:26:26,160
not radioactive 115 is in fact this

603
00:26:31,910 --> 00:26:28,800
element in fact it does occur again

604
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:31,920
somewhere around element 247 of course

605
00:26:36,730 --> 00:26:33,930
we're nowhere near synthesizing that we

606
00:26:40,010 --> 00:26:36,740
can only predict things like that but

607
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:40,020
that's that's where 115 whether or not

608
00:26:48,490 --> 00:26:43,410
it was given to us I can't answer that

609
00:26:51,740 --> 00:26:48,500
question however I was told that we have

610
00:26:53,420 --> 00:26:51,750
500 pounds by one of my co-workers how

611
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:53,430
was obtained and you know where exactly

612
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:55,110
it came from I don't know whether it

613
00:26:59,030 --> 00:26:57,330
came in one of the crafts or you know

614
00:27:00,860 --> 00:26:59,040
with separate cargoes somewhere you know

615
00:27:03,020 --> 00:27:00,870
anyone can speculate but I was I was

616
00:27:04,820 --> 00:27:03,030
told that was the figure the test

617
00:27:06,890 --> 00:27:04,830
flights I saw off the base actually the

618
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:06,900
the best test flight was witnessed by my

619
00:27:12,620 --> 00:27:08,850
friends who I had brought out there at

620
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:12,630
the exact moment the craft was hopping

621
00:27:15,980 --> 00:27:14,250
around to doing some really impressive

622
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:15,990
maneuvers I had turned around and I

623
00:27:21,290 --> 00:27:18,810
think was looking for the video camera

624
00:27:23,450 --> 00:27:21,300
or something to that effect but I missed

625
00:27:26,330 --> 00:27:23,460
some of the most impressive maneuvers

626
00:27:28,010 --> 00:27:26,340
what the craft was similar to what was

627
00:27:30,170 --> 00:27:28,020
done before that I had seen close up

628
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:30,180
other than the fact that it went above

629
00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:33,810
the mountain range moved a much greater

630
00:27:38,420 --> 00:27:35,910
distance and a much higher rate of speed

631
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,430
there was a high voltage discharge on

632
00:27:41,780 --> 00:27:40,320
the bottom of the craft but as far as

633
00:27:43,970 --> 00:27:41,790
there being an exhaust there wasn't it

634
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:43,980
well that's kind of the same reason why

635
00:27:48,740 --> 00:27:45,840
on neon light or a fluorescent light

636
00:27:50,860 --> 00:27:48,750
lights up what you're dealing was where

637
00:27:53,780 --> 00:27:50,870
there's a high energy source in

638
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:53,790
essentially a gas atmosphere oxygen

639
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,050
nitrogen and when you apply enough

640
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:01,200
energy to a gas molecule they emit

641
00:28:05,789 --> 00:28:03,610
photons they emit light

642
00:28:07,289 --> 00:28:05,799
I don't think it's anything it's a

643
00:28:09,090 --> 00:28:07,299
really a byproduct to how the craft

644
00:28:11,970 --> 00:28:09,100
operates when it's emitting that much

645
00:28:13,919 --> 00:28:11,980
energy the gas surrounding the craft

646
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:13,929
emits light the same reason why

647
00:28:19,410 --> 00:28:16,000
lightning is visible we have a huge

648
00:28:21,870 --> 00:28:19,420
electrical discharge and the gas emits

649
00:28:23,340 --> 00:28:21,880
light in the form of lightning ball if

650
00:28:25,380 --> 00:28:23,350
you were gonna see one of these crafts

651
00:28:28,830 --> 00:28:25,390
at night operating it would appear

652
00:28:30,570 --> 00:28:28,840
really is a glowing ball or just a

653
00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:30,580
bright light in the sky from a distance

654
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:34,510
even close up you'd see a glowing halo

655
00:28:39,390 --> 00:28:36,850
around it this is typically what you'd

656
00:28:42,780 --> 00:28:39,400
see in your normal UFO sighting when I

657
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:42,790
was leaving the area 51 facility heading

658
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:45,850
down to s4 that was a tremendous roar

659
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:49,690
and I have described it as the sound

660
00:28:56,010 --> 00:28:53,770
like the sky was tearing and I couldn't

661
00:28:58,350 --> 00:28:56,020
see out the windows of the bus all I can

662
00:29:01,049 --> 00:28:58,360
see out was the very front and as we

663
00:29:02,730 --> 00:29:01,059
came by I asked Dennis was my supervisor

664
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,740
and on the bus at that time what that

665
00:29:08,220 --> 00:29:04,960
was he said it was an Aurora a high

666
00:29:11,970 --> 00:29:08,230
altitude research plane and it was a

667
00:29:16,430 --> 00:29:11,980
large craft and the one glimpse I got of

668
00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:16,440
it was from the rear and it had two huge

669
00:29:22,530 --> 00:29:18,910
square exhaust with vanes

670
00:29:25,380 --> 00:29:22,540
in them and it was just it sounds more

671
00:29:27,390 --> 00:29:25,390
like a rocket than a jet I don't know

672
00:29:31,490 --> 00:29:27,400
I even think he did mention that it was

673
00:29:34,169 --> 00:29:31,500
liquid methane powered but there again

674
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:34,179
you know working on the dis technology I

675
00:29:39,570 --> 00:29:36,490
really could care less what was rolling

676
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:39,580
around at area 51 but it did catch my

677
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:43,290
eye one day when I was getting on

678
00:29:50,130 --> 00:29:47,110
Interstate 15 driving down Charleston

679
00:29:52,890 --> 00:29:50,140
Boulevard a car came up alongside of me

680
00:29:55,530 --> 00:29:52,900
and I thought he was just trying to race

681
00:29:58,860 --> 00:29:55,540
me to get on the freeway this was after

682
00:30:01,409 --> 00:29:58,870
I had left the project it was a white

683
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:01,419
boxy looking car exactly what making

684
00:30:08,430 --> 00:30:05,919
model I don't know but I accelerated to

685
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:08,440
get on the freeway to go fast and there

686
00:30:12,540 --> 00:30:10,000
was a gunshot

687
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:12,550
the back of the car was hit and I

688
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:17,170
skidded off into the median and I

689
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:19,930
stopped and I was frightened and I just

690
00:30:22,830 --> 00:30:21,250
stood there because I thought the guy

691
00:30:24,420 --> 00:30:22,840
was gonna be alongside of me and just

692
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:24,430
shoot me I had nothing to do I was

693
00:30:29,130 --> 00:30:26,890
essentially paralyzed with with fear and

694
00:30:31,620 --> 00:30:29,140
I waited there and then nothing else

695
00:30:32,790 --> 00:30:31,630
happened yeah wasn't it I mean it was an

696
00:30:34,770 --> 00:30:32,800
attempt on my life but by who

697
00:30:38,190 --> 00:30:34,780
specifically I I don't know though I was

698
00:30:40,110 --> 00:30:38,200
threatened before I had left and they

699
00:30:42,090 --> 00:30:40,120
threatened my wife's life in my life so

700
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:42,100
I can only put two and two together and

701
00:30:48,540 --> 00:30:43,930
say that they were kind of pissed at me

702
00:30:51,420 --> 00:30:48,550
after we were caught out when I had the

703
00:30:55,770 --> 00:30:51,430
test flight scheduled and I brought some

704
00:30:58,860 --> 00:30:55,780
friends out to show him the disc test we

705
00:31:00,510 --> 00:30:58,870
got caught out there and the following

706
00:31:05,610 --> 00:31:00,520
day I was debriefed down at Indian

707
00:31:07,260 --> 00:31:05,620
Springs Air Force Base and I was in the

708
00:31:10,110 --> 00:31:07,270
room with the security guards that

709
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:10,120
caught us my supervisor and some other

710
00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:12,370
people and some of the security

711
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:14,710
personnel yeah they were essentially

712
00:31:18,810 --> 00:31:17,110
grilling me about security and you know

713
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:18,820
how could I possibly bring people out

714
00:31:25,790 --> 00:31:22,690
there and I guess I wasn't as responsive

715
00:31:28,380 --> 00:31:25,800
as they would like for a very brief time

716
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,390
after I left Dennis who was my

717
00:31:32,850 --> 00:31:30,640
supervisor did try and make contact with

718
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:32,860
me at the the meeting place was the

719
00:31:38,190 --> 00:31:36,250
Union Plaza Hotel and I took a friend of

720
00:31:40,890 --> 00:31:38,200
mine Jean Huff down there and another

721
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:40,900
friend a former colleague and scientist

722
00:31:47,460 --> 00:31:44,890
from Los Alamos and we did we saw him

723
00:31:49,410 --> 00:31:47,470
but I also did recognize some security

724
00:31:51,150 --> 00:31:49,420
personnel walking around there from us

725
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:51,160
for us whether or not it was a setup or

726
00:31:56,190 --> 00:31:53,200
what was going on or we was trying to

727
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:56,200
talk to me we never found out and we

728
00:31:59,780 --> 00:31:57,970
left and just was a real strange

729
00:32:03,720 --> 00:31:59,790
situation I never heard from him since

730
00:32:06,210 --> 00:32:03,730
before I was at s4 I was more or less

731
00:32:08,190 --> 00:32:06,220
one of the one of the guys that thought

732
00:32:10,170 --> 00:32:08,200
you know all these government conspiracy

733
00:32:11,460 --> 00:32:10,180
and UFO buffs and things like that were

734
00:32:13,410 --> 00:32:11,470
complete lunatics

735
00:32:14,790 --> 00:32:13,420
I even remember before I was involved

736
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:14,800
there a friend showed me a little

737
00:32:20,220 --> 00:32:17,650
newspaper clipping and said John Lear

738
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:20,230
was giving a lecture who was touting

739
00:32:23,660 --> 00:32:22,290
that aliens from another

740
00:32:25,010 --> 00:32:23,670
world came to earth and there's 70

741
00:32:27,050 --> 00:32:25,020
different species and I remember

742
00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:27,060
laughing on the phone that this guy had

743
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:31,110
lost his mind and I was also under the

744
00:32:33,860 --> 00:32:32,250
impression that you know why the

745
00:32:35,420 --> 00:32:33,870
government's all for the people and they

746
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:35,430
you know you know they're out here to

747
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:36,960
protect us and all that it you know

748
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:38,970
after the experiences I had there

749
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:41,010
everything is completely turned around

750
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:44,310
you know the government is doing

751
00:32:49,970 --> 00:32:48,720
everything but looking out for us I mean

752
00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:49,980
the only thing they're looking at is for

753
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:52,740
themselves obviously the et crafts do

754
00:32:58,460 --> 00:32:54,840
exist something had to build them so

755
00:33:00,620 --> 00:32:58,470
there must be aliens and since there are

756
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:00,630
in the crafter there there must be some

757
00:33:05,330 --> 00:33:03,090
sort of factory and an entire

758
00:33:08,060 --> 00:33:05,340
civilization somewhere and if in fact

759
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:08,070
that is true and it apparently is then

760
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:12,000
there must be others actual crafts and

761
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:16,050
technology from another world and that's

762
00:33:20,990 --> 00:33:18,720
probably the most important and it is

763
00:33:25,610 --> 00:33:21,000
it kind of moved from science fiction

764
00:33:28,490 --> 00:33:25,620
into reality and I really just I guess

765
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:28,500
opened my eyes the big thing is whether

766
00:33:34,669 --> 00:33:31,890
or not we can duplicate them and if we

767
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:34,679
can understand what a device is or how

768
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:37,110
something operates or what its physical

769
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:39,210
makeup is that's great but if we can't

770
00:33:43,580 --> 00:33:40,049
duplicate it

771
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:43,590
it's useless to us so there's really two

772
00:33:47,539 --> 00:33:46,080
phases to the project going on there

773
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:47,549
it's understanding what we're looking at

774
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:50,090
and then once we understand it is can we

775
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:52,289
duplicate it with earthly materials and

776
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:54,000
earthly technology and you know unless

777
00:33:59,570 --> 00:33:55,890
we've got a handle on both of them all

778
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:59,580
that technology is useless to us and if

779
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:00,960
it turns out we can't do that

780
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:02,880
all we have is one single prized

781
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:05,370
possession that we have to take care of

782
00:34:10,570 --> 00:34:08,399
and I would like to have known a little

783
00:34:14,030 --> 00:34:10,580
bit more about the technology and

784
00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:14,040
probably kept quiet if I could have and

785
00:34:18,980 --> 00:34:17,159
possibly never have said anything yeah I

786
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:18,990
almost wish I had done that you know

787
00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:22,560
it's uh it's really only caused

788
00:34:27,950 --> 00:34:26,250
headaches and problems but I believe if

789
00:34:29,869 --> 00:34:27,960
I was given the opportunity again to go

790
00:34:31,609 --> 00:34:29,879
back in time and redo it I think I

791
00:34:34,220 --> 00:34:31,619
pretty much would have just shut up and

792
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:34,230
gone along with the program I would have

793
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:38,010
much preferred that instead of the Navy

794
00:34:44,450 --> 00:34:41,280
or whoever it was that hand-picked a few

795
00:34:46,669 --> 00:34:44,460
renegade scientists here and there that

796
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:46,679
they turn it over to some more qualified

797
00:34:50,089 --> 00:34:48,330
people obviously I was not the most

798
00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:50,099
qualified person on a propulsion or

799
00:34:52,010 --> 00:34:51,480
field propulsion or anything of that

800
00:34:53,839 --> 00:34:52,020
sort

801
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,849
I was just some guy I mean they could

802
00:34:56,599 --> 00:34:55,440
have picked I could have named ten or

803
00:34:59,660 --> 00:34:56,609
twelve other guys that were more

804
00:35:00,829 --> 00:34:59,670
qualified than me but you know if they

805
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:00,839
turned it over to the scientific

806
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:03,050
community and not just a couple guys

807
00:35:07,579 --> 00:35:06,089
here in the United States I mean you

808
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:07,589
need a large group of people in a large

809
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:09,810
lab to research what's going on there

810
00:35:16,190 --> 00:35:12,330
not a little quiet installation it's the

811
00:35:17,930 --> 00:35:16,200
it's the security itself that prevents

812
00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:17,940
them from getting anywhere I mean it

813
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:20,520
they never do work hand-in-hand science

814
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,490
itself must communicate you have to have

815
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:25,680
a free exchange of ideas that's how

816
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:27,930
things progress and when you clamp down

817
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:30,960
on a security system like that where you

818
00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:32,730
work in isolated group

819
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:35,250
and ideas cannot be exchanged you don't

820
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,570
get anywhere and that'sthat's the

821
00:35:42,290 --> 00:35:38,640
problem they have I have my own

822
00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:42,300
businesses that I work at computer

823
00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:46,680
graphics some consultation other

824
00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:49,740
technical jobs radiation detectors and a

825
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:51,960
few other things like that so really I

826
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:53,450
just go about my life and that's

827
00:35:57,890 --> 00:35:55,170
something had happened that was

828
00:35:59,920 --> 00:35:57,900
fantastic and and it's over but it's

829
00:36:02,740 --> 00:35:59,930
kind of hard to shake it loose but

830
00:36:04,940 --> 00:36:02,750
eventually I will and tell me that I

831
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:04,950
think all the surveillance and

832
00:36:08,359 --> 00:36:06,810
everything stopped I don't think

833
00:36:10,819 --> 00:36:08,369
anyone's bothering to monitor me I've

834
00:36:13,790 --> 00:36:10,829
said everything that I know it's been

835
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:13,800
all over the place so it's kind of a

836
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:16,079
done deal as far as whether or not there

837
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:19,290
are any craft out there I believe they

838
00:36:25,609 --> 00:36:22,770
were out and gone in probably the late

839
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:25,619
89 early 90 and the only thing people

840
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:28,650
see now out there flares or planes

841
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,420
now if the Czar's claims weren't

842
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,560
incredible enough a large amount of

843
00:36:45,620 --> 00:36:43,200
controversy also centered around his

844
00:36:48,380 --> 00:36:45,630
credentials and the locations where he

845
00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:48,390
said he previously had worked one of the

846
00:36:52,690 --> 00:36:50,760
more vocal skeptics about Lazar came in

847
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:52,700
the form of the godfather of ufology

848
00:36:57,859 --> 00:36:55,680
Stanton Friedman Friedman had this to

849
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,869
say I did a lot of checking on Bob I

850
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:00,000
tried to meet with him twice supposed to

851
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:02,880
on one occasion that he didn't go along

852
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:06,210
I checked at MIT I checked at Caltech

853
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:08,010
neither one ever heard of him well but

854
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,599
the government wiped his records clean

855
00:37:14,839 --> 00:37:11,520
as the response I talked to the legal

856
00:37:16,940 --> 00:37:14,849
counsel at MIT no way to do that I

857
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:16,950
talked with the guy who has the degrees

858
00:37:22,910 --> 00:37:19,410
that commencement lists and all that

859
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:22,920
sort of thing no mention of Lazar none

860
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:25,440
of the yearbooks shoulders are now you

861
00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:27,810
need it for a master's thesis for

862
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:29,369
master's degree you need a thesis I

863
00:37:33,019 --> 00:37:32,130
talked to the guy who holds those Noah's

864
00:37:35,509 --> 00:37:33,029
Ark

865
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:35,519
he was asked publicly when did you get

866
00:37:40,569 --> 00:37:38,880
your masters from MIT well let me see

867
00:37:44,929 --> 00:37:40,579
now I think it was yeah I'm probably

868
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:44,939
1982 I have friends who went to MIT was

869
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:46,529
accepted there myself couldn't afford to

870
00:37:52,219 --> 00:37:50,729
go out of high school and nobody who's

871
00:37:55,279 --> 00:37:52,229
gets a master's degree in physics from

872
00:37:58,209 --> 00:37:55,289
MIT doesn't know what he or he got it he

873
00:38:01,479 --> 00:37:58,219
was asked to name some of his professors

874
00:38:05,689 --> 00:38:01,489
well let's see now

875
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:05,699
he named somebody bill somebody I won't

876
00:38:12,380 --> 00:38:10,169
use his name on here but I checked on it

877
00:38:16,399 --> 00:38:12,390
was not a common name fortunately he was

878
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:16,409
a physicist the only trouble is Bob said

879
00:38:23,899 --> 00:38:20,130
he would remember him from Caltech this

880
00:38:26,029 --> 00:38:23,909
individual bill never taught at Caltech

881
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:26,039
he only taught at Pierce junior college

882
00:38:30,349 --> 00:38:28,049
now Bob himself had mentioned Pierce to

883
00:38:32,569 --> 00:38:30,359
me on the phone he did go there now

884
00:38:34,309 --> 00:38:32,579
that's in Southern California but and he

885
00:38:37,549 --> 00:38:34,319
was going there at the same time that he

886
00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:37,559
was supposedly attending MIT 2,500 miles

887
00:38:43,099 --> 00:38:40,169
east of there one heck of a commuter if

888
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:43,109
you can go to MIT you don't go to the

889
00:38:49,249 --> 00:38:45,650
Pierce junior college but beyond that I

890
00:38:50,359 --> 00:38:49,259
checked with his high school he finished

891
00:38:52,999 --> 00:38:50,369
in the bottom third of his high school

892
00:38:56,359 --> 00:38:53,009
class you can't get into MIT if you're

893
00:39:00,319 --> 00:38:56,369
outside usually the top 10 15 20 percent

894
00:39:02,749 --> 00:39:00,329
of your class bottom third never his

895
00:39:06,709 --> 00:39:02,759
element 115 scheme won't work

896
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:06,719
sounds good science fiction so oh I

897
00:39:11,509 --> 00:39:10,079
checked with Los Alamos he is in the

898
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:11,519
phone book there doesn't that prove that

899
00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:13,650
he was a scientist working there no it

900
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:14,579
certainly doesn't prove he was a

901
00:39:18,349 --> 00:39:15,839
scientist but if you look at the phone

902
00:39:20,539 --> 00:39:18,359
book page up at the very top it says

903
00:39:22,539 --> 00:39:20,549
this phone book for employees of the Los

904
00:39:25,130 --> 00:39:22,549
Alamos National Laboratory the

905
00:39:26,809 --> 00:39:25,140
Department of Energy kirk meyer

906
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:26,819
corporation several other companies

907
00:39:30,799 --> 00:39:28,890
right after Bob's name it was only in

908
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:30,809
one phone book digitally issue one every

909
00:39:36,859 --> 00:39:33,599
several months but it says K / M that's

910
00:39:38,899 --> 00:39:36,869
Kirk Meier a subcontractor he worked out

911
00:39:41,269 --> 00:39:38,909
of the maze on facility don't need a

912
00:39:42,170 --> 00:39:41,279
clearance for that people come in from

913
00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:42,180
all over the world

914
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:43,800
to do experiments and he was a

915
00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:46,530
technician working out there the story

916
00:39:50,810 --> 00:39:48,660
goes on and on beyond that and I get

917
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,820
people telling me well I don't see why

918
00:39:56,780 --> 00:39:52,560
you don't believe him he seemed so

919
00:40:02,270 --> 00:39:56,790
sincere sincerity is not a check on

920
00:40:04,220 --> 00:40:02,280
truth sincerity certainly is not a check

921
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:04,230
on the truth I can agree with Stan

922
00:40:08,510 --> 00:40:06,450
Friedman on that but as time has gone on

923
00:40:11,150 --> 00:40:08,520
and more information has been brought

924
00:40:13,550 --> 00:40:11,160
forward on lazarre's claims Friedman

925
00:40:15,740 --> 00:40:13,560
went from a staunch denier of Lazar to

926
00:40:18,260 --> 00:40:15,750
putting him in what he calls his gray

927
00:40:20,330 --> 00:40:18,270
basket this area between belief and

928
00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:20,340
disbelief and between truths and

929
00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:23,250
half-truths is where the Bob Lazar story

930
00:40:28,610 --> 00:40:26,100
has always lingered many years later

931
00:40:31,070 --> 00:40:28,620
upon reflection of Lazar story George

932
00:40:33,410 --> 00:40:31,080
Knapp reflected on it here's what he had

933
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:33,420
to say in an interview with Frederick

934
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:36,690
Udall of Exopolitics Denmark Bob has a

935
00:40:40,850 --> 00:40:38,310
certain amount of credibility I mean he

936
00:40:42,590 --> 00:40:40,860
just he doesn't try to exaggerate he

937
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:42,600
keeps it I mean it's a fantastic story

938
00:40:47,090 --> 00:40:45,450
any way you look at it but his story has

939
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:47,100
stayed the same and stayed consistent

940
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:48,690
over the years he never added extra

941
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:50,610
stuff to it that was number one number

942
00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:53,130
two is I became convinced that there

943
00:40:57,470 --> 00:40:55,110
really was an effort to discredit him to

944
00:40:59,060 --> 00:40:57,480
remove some of his records to pretend

945
00:41:01,550 --> 00:40:59,070
that he never worked in places where I

946
00:41:03,350 --> 00:41:01,560
know he worked I mean we we can go into

947
00:41:04,820 --> 00:41:03,360
the details about it but it was pretty

948
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:04,830
clear to me that someone was messing

949
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:07,770
with his reputation and thirdly is that

950
00:41:11,780 --> 00:41:09,810
if it had only been Bob telling this

951
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:11,790
story about things that have been going

952
00:41:16,580 --> 00:41:15,330
on at s4 and area 51 chances are we

953
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:16,590
would not have moved forward with the

954
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:18,510
project but the fact is that more than

955
00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:20,250
two dozen people have come forward with

956
00:41:24,830 --> 00:41:22,320
bits and pieces of the same information

957
00:41:27,830 --> 00:41:24,840
people who have worked at area 51 in the

958
00:41:30,020 --> 00:41:27,840
50s 60s 70s and 80s who have told me

959
00:41:32,180 --> 00:41:30,030
pretty much the same thing people who

960
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:32,190
have seen saucer-shaped craft out there

961
00:41:39,710 --> 00:41:36,330
in hangars saucer-shaped craft flying it

962
00:41:41,930 --> 00:41:39,720
in the desert being transported people

963
00:41:44,420 --> 00:41:41,940
who say that what goes on out there is

964
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:44,430
try to figure out how this technology

965
00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:47,610
works so that we constructed reconstruct

966
00:41:51,950 --> 00:41:50,220
it with earth materials instead of

967
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:51,960
building something that we came up with

968
00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:53,490
the idea for

969
00:41:59,150 --> 00:41:56,190
now the idea that there was a concerted

970
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,160
effort to discredit Bob Lazar is not

971
00:42:04,010 --> 00:42:01,440
entirely impossible with his entire

972
00:42:06,260 --> 00:42:04,020
background seemingly non-existent in

973
00:42:08,660 --> 00:42:06,270
documented form the public had nothing

974
00:42:11,450 --> 00:42:08,670
to go on but lazarre's testimony and

975
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:11,460
blind trust but it would only take one

976
00:42:17,420 --> 00:42:15,119
even just one individual to come forward

977
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:17,430
and admit having worked with lazar at

978
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:19,890
any of the facilities he had claimed to

979
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:22,050
have worked at wealth many years past

980
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,240
and it seemed that nobody was willing to

981
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:26,400
come forward hindering the credibility

982
00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:29,490
of Lazar even more but then with some

983
00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:31,320
ambitious digging investigative

984
00:42:36,109 --> 00:42:34,140
filmmaker Jeremy Korbel seemed to have

985
00:42:38,450 --> 00:42:36,119
broken the silence and found someone

986
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:38,460
willing to come forward this someone

987
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:41,310
went by the name of dr. Crandall and he

988
00:42:46,010 --> 00:42:43,530
was a physicist working at Los Alamos at

989
00:42:48,109 --> 00:42:46,020
the same time that Lazar claimed to have

990
00:42:50,660 --> 00:42:48,119
worked there as well this was a very

991
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:50,670
cool beginning just to meet somebody who

992
00:42:55,700 --> 00:42:53,760
knew Bob professionally from Los Alamos

993
00:42:58,250 --> 00:42:55,710
in the sense that you you saw him there

994
00:43:00,370 --> 00:42:58,260
you guys were in I you know don't tell

995
00:43:02,420 --> 00:43:00,380
anybody meetings what would you say

996
00:43:06,349 --> 00:43:02,430
security briefings yeah

997
00:43:08,030 --> 00:43:06,359
specifically into these you know it's a

998
00:43:09,859 --> 00:43:08,040
little lecture halls or classroom kind

999
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:09,869
of things and you get your you know it's

1000
00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:11,490
your security pep talk

1001
00:43:16,010 --> 00:43:13,500
so the Massassi just real specifically

1002
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:16,020
said you have a direct individual memory

1003
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:19,050
of being in a security briefing at Los

1004
00:43:23,810 --> 00:43:21,570
Alamos with Bob Lazar yeah it was one of

1005
00:43:25,849 --> 00:43:23,820
the yeah I'm not talking about a

1006
00:43:27,859 --> 00:43:25,859
classroom with 10 or 12 people I'm

1007
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:27,869
talking about you know the auditorium

1008
00:43:31,579 --> 00:43:29,700
size kind of thing you know everybody

1009
00:43:32,810 --> 00:43:31,589
after lunch and go over to the

1010
00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:32,820
auditorium you're gonna get your

1011
00:43:38,359 --> 00:43:35,790
security briefing for the week and yeah

1012
00:43:40,370 --> 00:43:38,369
that's I remember seeing and I said that

1013
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:40,380
I mean that just why you know why would

1014
00:43:44,060 --> 00:43:42,089
he be there if he wasn't working in

1015
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,070
capacity where that was important yeah I

1016
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:46,800
don't think they bring the janitor into

1017
00:43:52,190 --> 00:43:48,810
yeah okay because I just want to kind of

1018
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:52,200
demystify that once and for all you know

1019
00:43:55,730 --> 00:43:53,730
the fact that you're there at a security

1020
00:43:57,410 --> 00:43:55,740
briefing at Los Alamos and you're not

1021
00:43:59,390 --> 00:43:57,420
even really into all this stuff but you

1022
00:44:01,310 --> 00:43:59,400
but you knew Bob that's big that's big

1023
00:44:03,620 --> 00:44:01,320
for me because I spent a lot of my time

1024
00:44:05,590 --> 00:44:03,630
and effort trying to figure this out so

1025
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:05,600
thank you for your

1026
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:08,330
your experiences it's been fascinating I

1027
00:44:13,690 --> 00:44:11,450
wish this was the film so people could

1028
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:13,700
see your laboratory yeah I'll go walk

1029
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:16,210
through the Frankenstein's Playhouse

1030
00:44:21,250 --> 00:44:19,040
fascinating in here and thank you for

1031
00:44:22,660 --> 00:44:21,260
your time and I hope to continue the

1032
00:44:24,250 --> 00:44:22,670
conversation in the dialogue I'll have a

1033
00:44:27,220 --> 00:44:24,260
lot more questions after I relist into

1034
00:44:29,410 --> 00:44:27,230
this this sound bite with karbolyn

1035
00:44:32,020 --> 00:44:29,420
krinkle only scratches the surface

1036
00:44:34,540 --> 00:44:32,030
Korbel interviewed dr. Krank Oh for over

1037
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:34,550
45 minutes the entire interview can be

1038
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:37,280
heard by visiting corbels website at

1039
00:44:43,780 --> 00:44:40,730
extraordinary beliefs calm but not only

1040
00:44:45,580 --> 00:44:43,790
this Korbel also was able to obtain

1041
00:44:49,180 --> 00:44:45,590
information pertaining to just exactly

1042
00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:49,190
what was going on at s4 during and after

1043
00:44:53,650 --> 00:44:51,110
the time that Lazar claimed to have been

1044
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:53,660
there everybody's focused on area 51 we

1045
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:55,370
know the great things that were achieved

1046
00:44:59,490 --> 00:44:58,400
at area 51 it's a shell game it's a

1047
00:45:03,460 --> 00:44:59,500
sleight of hand

1048
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:03,470
we're talking about s4 right it's been

1049
00:45:09,070 --> 00:45:06,170
confirmed to you directly from the base

1050
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:09,080
maybe 25 more years ago yeah

1051
00:45:16,620 --> 00:45:12,290
s4 has been confirmed to me directly

1052
00:45:20,380 --> 00:45:16,630
twice one from an employee of EG&G

1053
00:45:22,540 --> 00:45:20,390
security was daunting and then somebody

1054
00:45:24,910 --> 00:45:22,550
else who's confirmed to me s work that

1055
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:24,920
that's exactly how it looks the story

1056
00:45:30,010 --> 00:45:27,050
though is that there was a facility like

1057
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:30,020
that at Pappas there is a facility like

1058
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:33,290
that at Papoose flying discs not this

1059
00:45:40,110 --> 00:45:35,930
UFO term that's created to make it

1060
00:45:43,930 --> 00:45:40,120
ambiguous flying disks saucers that were

1061
00:45:45,610 --> 00:45:43,940
piloted by nonhumans they were not ours

1062
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:45,620
and this was confirmed by both of my

1063
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:49,010
sources that this technology is not ours

1064
00:45:56,430 --> 00:45:52,880
Bob Lazar story was confirmed to me by

1065
00:45:59,290 --> 00:45:56,440
those two same sources one saying that

1066
00:46:03,130 --> 00:45:59,300
when he was working in secret capacity

1067
00:46:06,490 --> 00:46:03,140
at White Sands in 1989 that it was

1068
00:46:08,290 --> 00:46:06,500
common knowledge at the base about Bob

1069
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:08,300
story and I said well what was the

1070
00:46:14,350 --> 00:46:10,880
believability with the general

1071
00:46:16,750 --> 00:46:14,360
believability and he said everybody knew

1072
00:46:18,430 --> 00:46:16,760
that what was going on out there

1073
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:18,440
were with these types of projects and

1074
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:20,720
they've all belief Bobst or no were they

1075
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:23,810
following it as its unfolding 1989 that

1076
00:46:29,170 --> 00:46:25,850
was the impression that I got was that

1077
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:29,180
it was big news if you ever see it it is

1078
00:46:37,590 --> 00:46:32,110
not ours I said not ours like America

1079
00:46:44,620 --> 00:46:40,870
stay tuned for Jeremy corbels official

1080
00:46:47,260 --> 00:46:44,630
documentary on bob lazar in late 2018

1081
00:46:48,970 --> 00:46:47,270
I had the extremely rare opportunity to

1082
00:46:51,460 --> 00:46:48,980
have been backstage working at the

1083
00:46:54,370 --> 00:46:51,470
International UFO Congress where Bob

1084
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:54,380
Lazar stepped onstage with George Knapp

1085
00:47:00,580 --> 00:46:57,890
almost 25 years after his story first

1086
00:47:03,580 --> 00:47:00,590
broke and as I attached a microphone to

1087
00:47:06,130 --> 00:47:03,590
bob lazar suit jacket assuring him the

1088
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:06,140
mic was off he shared a few words with

1089
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me remarking on how crazy it was that

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people still cared about what he had to

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say so many years later I gathered the

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courage and explained to him that he was

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the reason many of us got into ufology

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and his story only strengthened our

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cause and our belief that the truth was

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out there and being hidden from us he

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nodded at me almost a reaction of

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assurance that his being there that day

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and speaking publicly some decades later

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still meant something to a hell of a lot

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of people and when he began to open up

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to the crowd that day it was clear that

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this was a man who had matured and

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gained an appreciation for what he'd

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been involved in and how it impacted the

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world around him here's just a small bit

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from the open minds production

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conversation with Bob Lazar and George

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Knapp you know you've heard all the

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stuff over the years they of those who

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don't believe your story they believe

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you're either making it up or it's

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disinformation that you're working for

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00:48:13,450 --> 00:48:10,310
them out there that spread in the story

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not now so you're making it up

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no sorry make it up no really no I'm

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sorry

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that's way too much for me to handle no

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really I don't

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and I know look a lot of people are into

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you know UFO stuff and I just kind of

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00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:34,020
exploded on to the scene and said hey I

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don't follow UFOs I don't follow reports

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I don't know who's researching what I

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don't know the names of people involved

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and but on the other hand you know I

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00:48:47,930 --> 00:48:44,970
know people make their living doing this

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sort of thing and you know if I just pop

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in one day and say hey this happened to

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00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:52,200
me I did this and this and this but you

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00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:56,250
know I'm out I'm not part of this I can

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00:49:00,320 --> 00:48:57,930
understand how that can interfere with

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their you know income stream or their

1134
00:49:05,390 --> 00:49:01,980
belief system or whatever and they need

1135
00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:05,400
to attack me but like I miss what I said

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00:49:18,050 --> 00:49:08,700
happened absolutely happen period that's

1137
00:49:20,930 --> 00:49:18,060
it it's clear that the bob lazar story

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00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:20,940
is wrought with controversy personal

1139
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:23,520
bias and frankly nothing more to go on

1140
00:49:29,630 --> 00:49:26,250
than scant evidence and a choice a

1141
00:49:32,090 --> 00:49:29,640
choice to believe Bob or not to believe

1142
00:49:34,730 --> 00:49:32,100
Bob many of the listeners of someone the

1143
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:34,740
skies do believe the story but many

1144
00:49:39,830 --> 00:49:37,170
others do not I asked for listener

1145
00:49:41,660 --> 00:49:39,840
opinions on just this case on the Sun

1146
00:49:45,350 --> 00:49:41,670
when the skies podcast Facebook group

1147
00:49:48,740 --> 00:49:45,360
and the thread exploded it is clear that

1148
00:49:51,140 --> 00:49:48,750
this subtopic in UFO history truly hits

1149
00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:51,150
a nerve for people it's the story of a

1150
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:53,910
secretive installation possibly housing

1151
00:49:59,180 --> 00:49:57,090
alien technology it's the story of one

1152
00:50:02,180 --> 00:49:59,190
man coming forward to bring the truth to

1153
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:02,190
the public or it's the story of perhaps

1154
00:50:07,820 --> 00:50:04,770
the greatest lie to slither its way

1155
00:50:11,060 --> 00:50:07,830
through UFO lore just like so many other

1156
00:50:14,530 --> 00:50:11,070
cases in and out of the UFO field this

1157
00:50:17,390 --> 00:50:14,540
case will always be argued debated and

1158
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:17,400
pondered if you care at all about my

1159
00:50:23,690 --> 00:50:20,400
personal opinion on this I choose to

1160
00:50:26,330 --> 00:50:23,700
believe Bob Lazar I believe he did what

1161
00:50:29,210 --> 00:50:26,340
he said he did and saw what he said he

1162
00:50:31,170 --> 00:50:29,220
saw this by no means proves to me

1163
00:50:33,299 --> 00:50:31,180
without a shadow of a doubt

1164
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:33,309
what he experienced was anything alien

1165
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:35,770
the propulsion of the craft he claims to

1166
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:38,250
have worked on is so complex and so

1167
00:50:43,290 --> 00:50:40,480
incredible that reverse engineering

1168
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:43,300
alien technology seems to be the only

1169
00:50:49,260 --> 00:50:46,720
viable explanation but as science often

1170
00:50:52,049 --> 00:50:49,270
does it finally catches up to our

1171
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:52,059
fantasies and constantly recalibrates

1172
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:54,490
its own laws and theories

1173
00:50:59,250 --> 00:50:57,010
I believe Bob Lazar because of the brief

1174
00:51:01,290 --> 00:50:59,260
moments I had with him in private as I

1175
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:01,300
prepared to give him a voice once again

1176
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:03,250
to the world twenty-five years later

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00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:05,410
after he created perhaps the most

1178
00:51:10,589 --> 00:51:08,319
historically relevant UFO story of all

1179
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,599
time and I know some of you may be

1180
00:51:16,530 --> 00:51:13,119
shaking your head at my naive approach

1181
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:16,540
to this case or you may agree with me

1182
00:51:22,290 --> 00:51:19,599
either way I hope this episode shed some

1183
00:51:25,859 --> 00:51:22,300
light on this case as we hurtle forward

1184
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:25,869
into 2018 knowing full well that secret

1185
00:51:31,770 --> 00:51:28,720
UFO programs aren't only happening but

1186
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:31,780
most likely continue up until today and

1187
00:51:36,359 --> 00:51:34,210
until the day Tom DeLonge and company

1188
00:51:40,530 --> 00:51:36,369
create the incredible craft that perhaps

1189
00:51:42,990 --> 00:51:40,540
Bob Lazar once work done at s4 I eagerly

1190
00:51:45,210 --> 00:51:43,000
await whatever comes next as we continue

1191
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:45,220
to search for answers to this and so

1192
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:47,440
many other stories of flying saucers

1193
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:49,930
that spin their ending medic circles

1194
00:51:59,130 --> 00:51:57,520
somewhere in the skies if you enjoyed

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00:52:01,859 --> 00:51:59,140
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00:52:04,770 --> 00:52:01,869
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00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:04,780
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00:52:09,390 --> 00:52:06,910
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00:52:21,089 --> 00:52:18,130
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00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:21,099
somewhere in the skies calm I'll see you

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00:52:25,620 --> 00:52:23,440
here next Monday and remember keep your

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feet on the ground but never stop

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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hello there podcast listeners this is

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Professor buzzkill we do a weekly walk

1212
00:54:51,970 --> 00:54:50,450
through some of the history myths that

1213
00:54:54,310 --> 00:54:51,980
are most deeply embedded in modern

1214
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:54,320
culture we bust those myths but also

1215
00:54:58,660 --> 00:54:56,090
show why the history surrounding them is

1216
00:55:00,460 --> 00:54:58,670
so important expert historians come to

1217
00:55:02,170 --> 00:55:00,470
the buzzkill Institute to help us in our

1218
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:02,180
labors and we often interview

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00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:04,010
specialists at universities around the

1220
00:55:07,900 --> 00:55:06,050
world and we have fun destroying quotes

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dubiously attributed to churchill gandhi

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and many others listen to professor